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rsc ([personal profile] rsc) wrote2008-10-07 12:31 pm

Bet you've never seen a three-run single before

I am, of course, thrilled that the Red Sox beat the Angels in the ALDS (again), and I can even almost forgive them for losing in an excruciating 12 innings at the one game we attended (having it end late enough that we deemed that we had to walk home was merely a bonus).

Among the many unbeauties of a deeply unbeautiful game was one that we could, at least, be happy about (if only temporarily): Jacoby Ellsbury's pop fly that the Angels fielders apparently considered radioactive, as they all seemed loath to touch it, with the result that it fell to the grass uncaught. The bases were loaded, there were two out, and the count was full, so of course all three runners had scored by the time the ball was retrieved, even though Ellsbury himself only had time to get to first base. Official scorers generally do not (or their rules do not permit them to) assign an error to whoever should have caught a ball that falls untouched, so it goes in the books as a single, three RBI.

This goes along with two other inexplicable blunders by the Angels (Vladimir Guerrero's overly exuberant attempt to go to third in Game 1, and the suicidal suicide squeeze attempt in Game 4) -- both of which, unlike the one described above, probably cost them the games they occurred in -- to make one wonder if, after all, their postseason history with the Sox did get into their heads.
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[personal profile] lcohen 2008-10-07 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
i was listening to the radio this morning on the way in (farewell to the white sox season *sigh*) and there was a lot of discussion about that failed suicide squeeze and whether the catcher dropping the ball meant that the runner should have been called safe. not having seen the play, i have no opinion, and i'm sure you're happy with the outcome, but that debate is out there.

[identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com 2008-10-07 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
We got to see a lot of replays of that, as you might imagine, and from the replays it's clear that what happened is: 1) Varitek lunged at Willets and tagged him; 2) the momentum of his lunge carried him forward, so that he fell to the ground; 3) the impact of his glove hitting the ground knocked the ball loose. Of course this all happened rather fast, but the replays bear out the umpire's judgement that he had control of the ball at the time the tag was made (and for a short time thereafter, whether that counts for anything or not).

On the postgame show, Cal Ripken said that, while the replays seem to show that the call was correct, we've all seen lots of plays at the plate where the catcher has the ball, makes the tag, and then the ball is jarred loose by the collision with the runner -- and then the runner is called safe; so why was this different?

None of the other commentators seemed to know, although one of them offered the possibility that the fact that it wasn't the runner's action that knocked the ball loose might be significant. I might amplify that to suggest that, in such cases, the ball is knocked out as the tag is made, rather than afterwards.

My condolences to you, and to Chicago fans of all stripes.
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[personal profile] susandennis 2008-10-07 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm still trying to care but congrats. Two red teams on the field just hurts my eyes. So I'm glad we got rid of one of them :)

[identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com 2008-10-08 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, well, you might have to avert your gaze if we end up with a Boston-Philadelphia World Series.

[identity profile] spwebdesign.livejournal.com 2008-10-07 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Bet you've never seen a three-run single before

You'd lose that bet. It was long enough ago I don't remember the details. Pretty sure there was a pinch runner on first. Probably Damian Jackson. The batter was either slow or hurt or both. (Tony Gwynn, Dave Madagan, and Wallie Joyner are all plausible candidates.) Bases loaded and ball was hit deep into one of the corners — I think it was right field — allowing the runner from first to beat the throw home in a bang-bang play, but the batter-runner did not attempt to advance past first. Hence, three-run single.

I assume you wouldn't acknowledge three-run singles where the batter-runner gained extra bases on errors. Those probably aren't as uncommon and satisfy the technical requirements of a three-run single but aren't in the same spirit as the situation you described.

[identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com 2008-10-08 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
I assume you wouldn't acknowledge three-run singles where the batter-runner gained extra bases on errors.

Well, in that case I assume that the error would also have allowed some of the runs to score, so the batter wouldn't be credited with three RBI.

Sorry I didn't see that one...

[identity profile] drj0402.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't watch baseball often (Go Springfield Isotopes!) but I know enough that a three-run single sounds amazing but strange.

Did the Mr. Elsbury walk to first base while the others ran towards home?

Re: Sorry I didn't see that one...

[identity profile] rsc.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I was mostly watching the ball, so I didn't see what he actually did, except to note that he had rounded first and then decided to stay there. Ellsbury is, in fact, one of the fastest players in the league, so if anybody could have gotten a double out of it, I would bet on him. But the ball wasn't in the air that long; if it hadn't been for the two-out/full-count situation, I doubt the runner on first would have scored. (Jed lowrie, starting on third, was about halfway to the plate by the time the batter made contact.)