I am, of course, thrilled that the Red Sox beat the Angels in the ALDS (again), and I can even almost forgive them for losing in an excruciating 12 innings at the one game we attended (having it end late enough that we deemed that we had to walk home was merely a bonus).
Among the many unbeauties of a deeply unbeautiful game was one that we could, at least, be happy about (if only temporarily): Jacoby Ellsbury's pop fly that the Angels fielders apparently considered radioactive, as they all seemed loath to touch it, with the result that it fell to the grass uncaught. The bases were loaded, there were two out, and the count was full, so of course all three runners had scored by the time the ball was retrieved, even though Ellsbury himself only had time to get to first base. Official scorers generally do not (or their rules do not permit them to) assign an error to whoever should have caught a ball that falls untouched, so it goes in the books as a single, three RBI.
This goes along with two other inexplicable blunders by the Angels (Vladimir Guerrero's overly exuberant attempt to go to third in Game 1, and the suicidal suicide squeeze attempt in Game 4) -- both of which, unlike the one described above, probably cost them the games they occurred in -- to make one wonder if, after all, their postseason history with the Sox did get into their heads.
Among the many unbeauties of a deeply unbeautiful game was one that we could, at least, be happy about (if only temporarily): Jacoby Ellsbury's pop fly that the Angels fielders apparently considered radioactive, as they all seemed loath to touch it, with the result that it fell to the grass uncaught. The bases were loaded, there were two out, and the count was full, so of course all three runners had scored by the time the ball was retrieved, even though Ellsbury himself only had time to get to first base. Official scorers generally do not (or their rules do not permit them to) assign an error to whoever should have caught a ball that falls untouched, so it goes in the books as a single, three RBI.
This goes along with two other inexplicable blunders by the Angels (Vladimir Guerrero's overly exuberant attempt to go to third in Game 1, and the suicidal suicide squeeze attempt in Game 4) -- both of which, unlike the one described above, probably cost them the games they occurred in -- to make one wonder if, after all, their postseason history with the Sox did get into their heads.
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Date: 2008-10-07 04:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-07 05:16 pm (UTC)On the postgame show, Cal Ripken said that, while the replays seem to show that the call was correct, we've all seen lots of plays at the plate where the catcher has the ball, makes the tag, and then the ball is jarred loose by the collision with the runner -- and then the runner is called safe; so why was this different?
None of the other commentators seemed to know, although one of them offered the possibility that the fact that it wasn't the runner's action that knocked the ball loose might be significant. I might amplify that to suggest that, in such cases, the ball is knocked out as the tag is made, rather than afterwards.
My condolences to you, and to Chicago fans of all stripes.
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Date: 2008-10-07 07:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-08 03:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-07 08:56 pm (UTC)You'd lose that bet. It was long enough ago I don't remember the details. Pretty sure there was a pinch runner on first. Probably Damian Jackson. The batter was either slow or hurt or both. (Tony Gwynn, Dave Madagan, and Wallie Joyner are all plausible candidates.) Bases loaded and ball was hit deep into one of the corners — I think it was right field — allowing the runner from first to beat the throw home in a bang-bang play, but the batter-runner did not attempt to advance past first. Hence, three-run single.
I assume you wouldn't acknowledge three-run singles where the batter-runner gained extra bases on errors. Those probably aren't as uncommon and satisfy the technical requirements of a three-run single but aren't in the same spirit as the situation you described.
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Date: 2008-10-08 03:32 am (UTC)Well, in that case I assume that the error would also have allowed some of the runs to score, so the batter wouldn't be credited with three RBI.
Sorry I didn't see that one...
Date: 2008-10-11 07:15 pm (UTC)Did the Mr. Elsbury walk to first base while the others ran towards home?
Re: Sorry I didn't see that one...
Date: 2008-10-11 09:16 pm (UTC)